You make some good points Vinny. No it is not his first public talk though, and I hope I don not make the mistake of engaging him in a dicussion on 1914. I have done this before and he still insists he is right, even in the face of bold clear evidence. Any words based on anything said at the kingdom hall is a waste of breath. I have been having these go nowhere conversations for years. They infuriate me!
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Should I Stay or should I go?
by Tyrone van leyen ini have been pondering a dilema.
it is one which has repeated itself many times over the years.
my parents have been helping me, and being very nice to me in the last couple of years.
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Should I Stay or should I go?
by Tyrone van leyen ini have been pondering a dilema.
it is one which has repeated itself many times over the years.
my parents have been helping me, and being very nice to me in the last couple of years.
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Beleive me, I fell the same way as both of you. I've often said that only a funeral will be what it takes to drag me back to that crap. It is always family that makes it harder. I could veiw it as something I will do to support my father but it never ends there. I know this.
The other problem is, like I said I have no desire to go back to poverty. I am going to have an operation on my back in less than a year or so and I don't want a crappy unsupportive enviornment to live in. I'm depressed enough as it is. The witnesses is like a family curse or disease for which there is no cure
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Should I Stay or should I go?
by Tyrone van leyen ini have been pondering a dilema.
it is one which has repeated itself many times over the years.
my parents have been helping me, and being very nice to me in the last couple of years.
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Incidently, if I get very little, or no response to this thread by 9:00 pm tonight, I'm going tommorow, in my Sunday best!
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Should I Stay or should I go?
by Tyrone van leyen ini have been pondering a dilema.
it is one which has repeated itself many times over the years.
my parents have been helping me, and being very nice to me in the last couple of years.
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Hello all! I have been pondering a dilema. It is one which has repeated itself many times over the years.
My parents have been helping me, and being very nice to me in the last couple of years. When receiving help it is very difficult for me to refuse a request of someone. They could ask anything of me and I wouldn't have a problem with it. What they are asking is that I attend the meeting tommorow to see my fathers public talk. I have never been to see one of his hour talks and he says he could really use my support.
You must understand, the only thing in the world that matters to them and nothing else is being a Jehovah's Witness. I truly mean that. NOTHING! It is a source of great despair and always has been. My whole existence has been to deal with this outlandish thinking! They even mention to me that they feel so saad that our time together is limited because harmaggedon is coming and I won't be there in the new system. I have had these bullshit conversations with them 100 million times, and it never changes. They will use guilt, fear or whatever tool they feel will do the trick.
Understand too, they are helping me financialy etc. I have lived a rough life the last 20 years and I'm tired of it. I'm comfortable now.
If I allow this to happen tommorow, it will open a door to setting a dangerous precedent to being bugged eternally about going to meetings. I love my parents but my resentment of witnesses runs deep, as they have coloured every aspect of my existence and robbed our family of so much joy and still are.
The problem is my parents refuse to see me in any other way than being a witness, despite the fact that they know very well how i feel about them. I have no words left for them. I think tey're hoping I will just give in one day as they continue to weaken my resolve. I wouldn't ask my father to come to a biker party if I knew it would make him feel uncomfortable but he has no problem with asking things of me that make me feel that way. It is because they think they are saving my life.
I don't know how ever to resolve such neverending draining nonsense, so I post it here. I don't expect answers from anyone on this cuz I don't think there are answers. I have to decide today and call them. So if I get a little feedback that's good and I might just end up voting on it, based on the responses.
So what do you think? Who's for me going and who's against it. What's your vote ,and why?
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Assembly talks-WHy did they talk so loud at the end!?
by themonster123 inwhenever i would go to conventions, i thought it was weird how at the end of the brothers' talks (especially the older ones like from the governing body or whatever), they would start getting louder and louder and louder.
ie; "in this time of the end, we need to keep on the watch for our adversary satan is roaring about like a lion!!!!
do you agree??".
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Tyrone van leyen
Ya that makes sense. They water down the talented small guys through years of their theocratic crapola, and then once they have killed every ounce of charisma and creativity you can muster, they save the profound LOUD show stoppers for themselves. Too bad they don't have any real talents though. But I'm sure it helps boost their Geriatric egos.
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Would you have followed Jesus
by JH inif you could have been one of the apostles, would you have given up everything you have today to follow jesus?.
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I was enamoured with Jesus even as a full fledged witness. Don't ask me why but I admired him greatly. If this man really existed, I certainly would follow him. That's the problem though, I have a hard time beleiving this. I would want proof now that he exists. Would you follow a figment of my imagination?
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Would you die for what you believe?
by avidbiblereader inwith many strong feelings or beliefs either way for christianity, atheism, jw would you be willing to die for your beliefs, or are they just feelings that never come from the heart?
if faced with death for your beliefs, would you?.
abr.
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Tyrone van leyen
In all reality I think we all can have ideas of noble stature, however, in our frailty as human flesh, our intentions are not always what we act out, under adversity. " There is many a slip, twixt the cup and the lip."
I think even scripture is cognizant of this fact. " The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." and" No greater love hath any man, than he that would die for his brother".
That said, I find it incomprehensible how the witnesses acknowledge this, but refuse military service. These soldiers die every day for our freedom. They have the greatest love!
Such a sacrifice was expected of the man Jesus, but he was, according to writings the son of God. I think many people wouldn't have a problem giving there life for there child etc, but how far will you really go for what you beleive in. Is it worth it? Are you that sure? Death is the ultimate test of conviction but it is also, in my opinion a mark of fanatacism. Even Peter denied the son of God three times under duress. I think God will cut us some slack on this one, but how does he veiw a suicide bomber. Does this please him? You have to admit there is an admirable amount of conviction here to blow yourself to peices, but the world at large only see's a phycho and a fanatic.
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What is your idea of worship?
by journey-on inwhen i was a jw, my idea of worshipping god was to put in at least 10+ hrs.
in fs monthly, attend 5 mtgs per wk, study for those meetings, make back calls (or what is now called rv's), conduct bible studies, have a family study once a week, pioneer when able, go to all the assemblies, etc.
what, if anything, do you consider worship?.
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Tyrone van leyen
I think the idea of worship has connotations of kissing ass, not freindship!
My idea of worship is looking upon the creator as a freind. One that you can talk to anytime about anything, and even get angry at him and he will never judge you. If you were an omnipotent being would you want something that you created to worship you? If you placed that being in a world of suffering and never showed your face, or gave feedback of any kind, would it seem reasonable to expect adulation or even freindship? How can we be freinds if you don't even wanna talk dude.?
If what God really wanted, was true freinds, and not ass kissers, who are threatened and scared, and really wanted to have a true freindship, why would he put such a violent, confusing and outdated book such as the bible in our faces.
How would you feel about freindship if you were God and held all the cards.? You could pull whatever shit you want with no accountability.
Perhaps in the end the best freinds of god will be those, who just try to be good for the sake of being good, never went to church, never preached but just lived their lives the best they could with love to their fellow man.
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Sigmund Freud and Rutherford??
by bluebell insomeone suggested to me that rutherford (i think, they just said one of the founders) went to a talk by freud and incorporated hypnotism into the meetings.
they said that w/t study set up made you go tick tock between reader and conductor.
i thought it was funny.
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As much as I hate that fat ass Rutherford, I think the credit has to go to Russel on this one. Freud was quite popular even while Russell was still alive, and it was he who laid the groundwork for procedural indoctrination en masse. It was fat ass Rutherford, that was the control freak, who perfected it.
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Do YOU Think People Actually "Love" You? Are They Intimate Friends?
by minimus ini believe we all want to think that we are very much loved and respected.
when we were in the "truth", we used to say that we knew our brother or sister would die for us----if they had to.
but in reality who really loves us???
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Tyrone van leyen
The definition of love to me is caring about, or for someone. This of course can have varying degrees depending on how much the person loves you. One of the problems is that some of us can't love ourselves and are not able to see that other people really do care.
This is one of the major dilema's faceing those that exit the witness group. Can you really beleive in yourself and other people, after having the rug pulled out from under you, by the very people that are closest to you, and claim to be of god?
After being out for many years, I have come to the conclusion that there are good people out there that do care, but in general the old expression that if you have 1 good freind in your life you are doing well. In the case of the witnesses usually if something seems too good to be true, trust your gut. It usually is too good to be true.